Musky 360 Podcast Episode 261: Super Musky Black Friday
Transcript
Steven:
Alright folks, welcome to the Muskie Black Friday podcast.
Jay:
Happy Black Friday, Steve.
Jay:
Yeah. How black do you like your Friday?
Steven:
Pretty dark, pretty dark. What? What did you think, Jay, are you gonna buy? How much money are you putting into, Doc boy? Randy's new cryptocurrency. See. Everything.
Steven:
I I.
Jay:
Have I heard about that?
Steven:
Yet you.
Jay:
It.
Steven:
Doesn't. I haven't got it done yet. Just say everything. Everything. Jay, how much you putting in?
Speaker
Jay:
Ohh, putting it all in Steve.
Steven:
I'll bet I'm betting on black betting on Black Friday to bet Ohh it's it's freaking down there. Jay, what is your net worth after you've lost most of if not all of it on pull tabs like is it sub $40?
Jay:
You know why?
Jay:
They ohh yeah. Pull tab wiped me out. But you know, thanks to that loan you gave me, what was it 42? 16 or something like.
Steven:
Ah yeah.
Jay:
That, yeah, so that helped a.
Steven:
Lot thanks man. And you bought Subway? AJ, as in it as an adult now, how much money do you have your name?
Jay:
Mm-hmm.
Jay:
Ohh man Steve, you put me on the spot. I don't know. That's that's tough to estimate right now, but it's probably. I don't know 102 two at least 202 hundred Cash Cash.
Steven:
You got 200. Can't pay me back. I know you're. You're lying. You're a lying sack. Yeah. OK.
Jay:
With.
Jay:
Yeah, actually says I will. Don't worry about that. Ohh yeah. You'll get him Ronnie off. At least 200. My amazing, yeah.
Steven:
You know, we got big problems when we get done with this show. If you got 280, listen, you owe me at least 40 bucks. I you're one of the few adult males and I have $200 though, so I'll give you. Props there well.
Speaker 3
There go.
Steven:
You know, it's the the. It's a tough life, Jay. Things are tough. Can ioffer you an egg during these troubling times?
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Jay:
The.
Jay:
It is in winter setting in, you know, just to, you know, pour gas on the. Fire, I guess, huh?
Steven:
Well, I'll tell you what. It finally cooled off.
Jay:
Yeah, you got cold.
Steven:
Water too? Yeah, it kind of kind of bumped down there. I went out. And how cold? Yeah, I mean 40s. But for me that's cold, you know.
Steven:
- Yeah, yeah.
Steven:
Anyway, so it's Black Friday. Why don't we just do it? Why don't we just go live, Jay? Why did you call up jambalaya?
Jay:
Let's get the store owner, Jim Stewart. On the phone.
Steven:
Yeah, let's talk Black Friday. All right, well, apparently Jay got a hold of Jim. Jim. Jim Belia the tube screamer. Say hello.
Speaker 8
Hey, how's it going guys one?
Steven:
Careful. I'll speak for everybody anyway. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna do the comings and goings at the Muskie shop first. So the calendar's coming out. All new. And these are all new fancy. Jim, you said you painted these right.
Speaker 8
Yeah, something like that.
Steven:
OK, fantastic. You got the calendar. What else? We got a new headband, Jay. The new headband light.
Jay:0
So.
Jay:
The the lights. Yeah. Ebo lights? Yeah. Three different models.
Steven:
Wait.
Steven:
Headlamp camp light and it looks like a jewel pod. Can you?
Jay:
See on them are really good. These things are really like really good and not expensive.
Jay:
What? Like what? What?
Speaker 9
Yeah.
Steven:
Flavors does the slim mini? Oh, that's a light. I thought it was, I thought was a vape anyway.
Jay:
There's a clip on rechargeable light.
Steven:
Fantastic if you're a night fisherman doing the doing the the night deeds, if you will anyway.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
We got to ask, we had to have Jim on Jim, what is going to happen today is. The cat will be all back. It is Monday the 25th. When does the Black Friday festivities start?
Speaker 8
I had to. Start at midnight tonight. It's going to start tonight. It's gonna be 15% off.
Speaker 9
Midnight.
Steven:
The witching hour.
Speaker 8
Yeah, 15% off for everybody for nearly about a week. I guess it's going to start tonight and it's going to run through our next what Tuesday, Jay, I.
Jay:
Think it is Tuesday, December 3rd.
Jay:1
Yep.
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yep. December 3rd. So 15% off everything we got exclude rods and reels. Of course, for the manufacturers request, but you know everything else. Tackle boxes, Nets, lures, you know everything else apparel. Everything's 15% off. So it's a it's a heck of a good deal. And then hopefully everybody can take advantage of the savings there over the next week or so.
Steven:
All right. Rapid fire around Jim Stewart. Savage Gear 3D sucker. 11 inch. How much off 15%. Inch jointed headlocks.
Jay:0
That.
Steven:
Krakens.
Speaker 8
15% off.
Steven:
Titans.
Speaker 8
15% off.
Steven:
Bot Bot Bot boss sheds.
Speaker 8
15% off.
Jay:
Maps.
Speaker 8
15% off.
Steven:
Have you lost?
Jay:
Maps or? Have you? Have you lost your mind? That's all.
Jay:
The trick question pull the trick question, Steve.
Jay:
You do it.
Steven:
Quick, Jim. Yes, you decide what the sales are at the Muskie shop. You the buck stops with you, right? That's not. That's not a trick question, right?
Speaker 8
No, that's not a trick question. No, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. You know, we all kind of get. What's that?
Steven:
Yeah. OK. And they, yeah, they get together well. You get together with the guys, right?
Speaker 8
Yes. Yep.
Steven:
Jays got some ideas. Tom's got some ideas.
Jay:
Yep.
Steven:
What? What was Jays idea for the Black Friday sale this year?
Speaker 8
Well, Jay Jay's always got a bunch of good ideas. This one I wasn't sure about. He kind of wanted a men's pants 75% off.
Jay:
Yeah. Yeah. No, we don't carry any would be a good promotion. Steve, are you there, Steve, deep breath.
Speaker 4
On the doll figure, right?
Jay:0
I've waited. I've waited all day for this.
Jay:
Folks.
Jay:
Sorry, Jimmy, the.
Jay:
Men's slacks.
Steven:
Men's pants. Jay, wanna men's pants 75% off. Legend lures out gets 15% off.
Speaker 8
Yes, yes, Sir.
Steven:
So she can't be the best. Jay, eat it, turd. I'm not. So he was scorched.
Speaker 8
I'm sorry, yeah.
Jay:
Right.
Speaker 3
No kidding. You wanna smell that a mile away?
Jay:
Right.
Steven:
Straight straight man. Ohh God, let me get back to center. So. That's 15% off, so the only things we're. We're not doing.
Speaker 8
Yeah. We gotta exclude Rod. We gotta exclude rods and reels for the manufacturers request on that and then live and gift.
Steven:
I want it.
Jay:
Gift cards.
Steven:
Cards. Right. Right, right. Well, so I, yeah, I just dumped a bunch of gift cards. On my cart. Sorry. Yeah, we're not. No, never mind. No, now that that's a heck of a deal.
Speaker 8
Yep.
Steven:
So anything and everything get geared up. I mean that's apparel that's that's hats that's you know.
Speaker 8
Yes, yes, yes, yeah. Tackle. You know, there's a lot of people that like to build, build their own stuff and and you know whether they're buying for a gift or themselves, you know, it's it's it's one of those things where guys really like to to, you know, get a bunch of stuff. So.
Steven:
Absolutely.
Speaker 8
You guys took, we're getting. Well, you know, guys are going to start their their process where working inside and the time to kind of build up their their arsenal.
Steven:
Well, they're they're building Bucktails. They're building building spinner baits. They're built. Heck, some people are building crank baits, right?
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Steven:
They get this, they get that, they buy the lips. You know, Speaking of the crankbaits, Jim Stewart has the inside scoop, right?
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah.
Steven:
On a new crankbait at the Muskie shop from Ivan Lures, which is. Kind of a a different take on things, Jim. I'm just gonna let you. I've not. I've not gotten 1 yet. You and your brother spent some time with it. Just talk about what's going.
Steven:
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8
It's a it's a brand new bait week. I had it for a couple weeks, something like that. It's got a shad style body, you know, kind. Of a big. A big, large profile and it's got a a metal lip and then it's got 3 pin pin settings and you you can. He's got a design.
Steven:
MHM.
Speaker 8
Or you can just take and and with your gloves on or whatever, you can move the pin setting. Literally in a couple seconds. It's no, it's a really a nice design that he's come up with, so the bait gets really deep too. I I was, I used it, used it a little bit and I was very impressed with how deep it got it. It really runs deep and wanders and he.
Speaker 9
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 8
Evan, Jonathan. Ivan did a really nice job designing these things.
Steven:
Yeah. And that's The thing is.
Jay:0
We've we've got.
Steven:
9/11 13 yeah, that. And. And you were telling me you text me the other day. You know, Jim, Jim's up there doing the do and suffering in Minnesota is, as you all do this time of year, right? Just it's it's just your penance. You pay to the muskie. God, you got and suffer in the cold.
Steven:
MHM.
Steven:
You told me you banged 18 feet on this thing.
Speaker 8
Ohh yeah yeah, it it gets down there. I think it had like 70 foot of line out and it was getting 1820 feeding and. I was very. Was very surprised, to be honest with you, and we got a we got a, it got it listed, you know, on the on the description in the in our on our website how how deep they run. And so it's yeah they get they get down there you have to get their got really good action too they're they're I'm very impressed.
Steven:
Yeah, and and we're working on trolling chart. Jim sent that Timmy Bits, you look at the front pin 3 feet per ten feet out, right 3.5 for 10/4 for 10.
Speaker 8
Yeah.
Steven:
Right. And hitting 30 foot plus where that is.
Steven:
Right.
Steven:
It's a different body style. The lip angle from what you'd expect from a metal lip bait right. Different lip angle. Different kind of of body style. And like you said, 18 feet at that code, OK. That, that's that's a tall order because we talk about it quite often. There's not a lot of. Deep running Bates. When people say Deep's a relative term for Wisconsin 15 feet deep, that's, you know, you're you're dredging a lot of places at that.
Jay:0
Right.
Jay:
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
Point. But for big water, that's interest.
Speaker
Yeah. Yep.
Steven:
You know, as far as like, I'm not helping them hand, you know, this is like a custom level, but correct. This is like really durable. Yeah.
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah, very durable. But yeah, I would. It's it's in the going to be in that costing category for sure.
Steven:
Yeah, very cool. Very cool. Back, Jim. Yeah.
Steven:
Hello.
Jay:
You can also you know another thing you can do with those is dial in the intensity of the wander. Too, you know, if you use the shallow setting, which is the setting. Us to the end of. The diving lift. Right it it's got more pronounced wonder you know side to side shooting out and all that. So and it lessens the severity as you as you go towards the deep setting. So it's another thing you can play with in seconds. So you know you just push down a spring loaded, it's really cool.
Steven:
It's a different take on on kind of power trolling.
Jay:
MHM.
Steven:
You know this this time of year, Jim, what did you see? Like you. You were. What is it? Last weekend. You're over there.
Jay:0
What's the last one?
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we could we little over a week ago, yeah.
Steven:
In in the world has changed since. It just kind of everything kind of happened. But you know what were the temps over there? What it what? You know what the water look like. I mean just just for a a point of reference.
Jay:1
Yeah.
Speaker 8
Yeah. So over there with central Minnesota, John's got it. My brother got a cabin over there and we've been. Going over there for.
Steven:
What's what's the address? What's the game? What's the gate code? Asking for a friend? Sorry, continue. Sorry.
Jay:
You know, I don't even know. Yeah, right.
Speaker 3
Well, when we.
Speaker 8
Were over there the the water temps at that time were like 434044 right in there.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 8
Deep clear lakes. Most of the systems. That we hit over. There and and. All the ciscos and stuff are really stacking up right along the brakes, so we thought the fishing would be really good though man, we just couldn't get nothing. So we figured and it was real windy. But one day was was nice. So good, good musky day just didn't get anything going that day. But the next day they got super. Windy, you know, 3540 mile an hour. But you guys catching them? We've seen a few couple Nets come out, which is great, but you know.
Steven:
That's fun. Right.
Speaker 8
Everything is stacking up. The ciscos are kind of move in and kind of work shallow or especially later in the day and they were you could see the pods of baitfish just kind of staging coming out of the out of the basins and and just staying around along those edges. Well, so they're going to. Spawn.
Steven:
Well, I know you and your brother love to suffer in the boat, right? You often you often. They'll often go out and not talk for hours on end, so which is nice when you have a twin brother you there's nothing left to say. Hey, we've been there. Done that, right. What we've been. Yeah. Yeah, they've.
Speaker 8
Pretty much.
Jay:0
Right. Oh. And every.
Jay:
Done it, we like to break.
Steven:
Ice, too. Yeah, that's what's going to get at.
Jay:1
Steven:
So the Stewart boys. How late are we going? What? What's the thought of, like, OK, realistically. Hey, John, are we going this weekend or are we going to wait till next weekend? Because I know you like some of the big water there near the shop. What? What's because you know, I I I think of John and Jim Stewart fishing. And when you own the muskie shop, you're done with Dings. I'm sorry, everybody. Well, I'll speak for you, Jim. Right, Jim, would Jim would gladly catch a ****, but I know this man. He wants to go out and he wants to swing for the Grand Slam. Right. How late are we thinking swinging for that Grand Slam? Where, how, when are we going for big fish? How late in the year is there a Thanksgiving game plan? Are we going down the chain?
Steven:
Hmm.
Steven:
Is there any thought process there?
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yep. So, like in our area here in the Northwoods, Wisconsin, we just pretty much go to the the deep or clear lakes that have ciscos and. Lots of forage and those deeper clear lakes, in our opinion, kind of produce the bigger fish. Sure, you can get some big ones on small lakes too, but I think if you really want to go to swing for the fences, you always hit the, you know, tomahawk and trout. And you know, sometimes in the minocqua chain. Depending on the uh, the wind. So you know, because you want to use wind to your advantage if you can. But then when it's really cold, you also kind of gotta protect yourself from protect the boat from getting. You know, it's gonna get nice stuff and stuff. But you know, you just kind of gotta use your head a little bit and and work the brake lines and look the.
Steven:
Yeah. Yeah, we're brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 8
The bait out in the in the basins and if you can find bait work around it and otherwise long break lines this time of year. Usually you know that's that's a good place to go to.
Steven:
Yeah, it's it's a matter of. So let, let's say we're on. A clear body of water coming in and and. Let me ask Jay. I'm not asking Jay this are you guessing any ice yet? At all. OK, there's no eyes, Doc. Danny. Her back. And I talked the other day. We're just BS ING, right? He's like it's snowing. It says very nice. Like, no. So I just had to check. Right.
Speaker
Now.
Jay:
Yeah.
Steven:
Thanksgiving coming up, people got time off, right? It's a different ball game. It's it's just a different world. There you go. OK, you've got experience with, like you said, a long break line or open water bait fish.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
What, given your druthers? You pull out there. Jim Stewart pulls out in this water. You see. OK. I see some bait fish. I've got this long brake line where you got to pick. You got one choice of the two.
Speaker 8
Long break line. Just because we've. Yep. Yep. And we've done so much of that over the years versus and had better success doing that versus hitting those. Those basin fish, I mean, maybe there's other guys that have done better at that, which very well could be, but for just for John and I, yeah, experience.
Steven:
To cover cover structure.
Jay:2
Yeah.
Steven:
Yeah. God bless them. Yeah.
Speaker 8
It's working. Those long long break lines and wait so long. Brake lines like a lot of our lakes have a brake line around them, a weed edge and the bigger lakes kind of have have a lot long ones. You know, they go a long distance and if you can work along those breaks they just kind of stay right close to it up on it out off it and just you're just. Zig zagging for a long time that seems like that's. What we have, we've. Had the most success over the years doing.
Steven:
For the reason I ask, because I I'm about to go into that thing where I do the same thing. I OK, I can think of a couple runs I do right and where I'll go out and then I kind of double back and I'm over open water when well, if we catch one now, it's by luck, right. You might double back and.
Steven:
MHM.
Steven:
Well, for for every 50 times you do it, you might get one RIP out in the open water, you know, or or every 100 times where.
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah.
Steven:
It's more of a a needle on a haystack and open water where we've gotta run over him. We gotta run near him where I feel like a brake line. You go. OK. We have some. There's rules. You know, this. This fish rule between he'll be between XY and Z opposed to he's 20 feet down over 60.
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah.
Steven:
That's that's a little wider, you know, as far as this time frame. And like I said, yeah, I I've seen more big fish pictures coming out of these guys that are wearing gloves. They're snow in the boat, right? John's got his leaf blower in the.
Jay:0
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Steven:
Boat to get snow out. Frank, Jim. Let me ask you.
Jay:
Yes.
Steven:
When is the last day a Stewart boy has not run a 2 stroke leaf blower? He he can't answer that question that stumps 19 and 44. They're they they they're all over. I'm just teasing. I love them both, but.
Speaker 8
Oh yeah. Ohh man, that's something there.
Jay:
Yeah.
Steven:
When you guys are doing that, so let's say it's you and John and I bring this up because it's so common you you got you and you got your boat partner, right? Yeah, it could be you and Lenny Craig's ball or you and **** Stimp gear going out in the weekend. Watch wash your lawn and garden equipment. Whatever. Right. You got your buddy in the boat.
Speaker
Yep, Yep.
Steven:
We're going to do big long brake lines. Is it a matter of, you know, a crank on the inside or a dive and rising or RIP troll on the outside? How are you kind of conceptualizing it? Is it all go big or go home? What's the bait decision in the Northwoods this time of year?
Speaker 8
It seems like for for us it works a lot better if if we put a game plan together and say let's, let's work this long, break for maybe a couple hours and maybe do jerk trolling with, you know, suits and and Bobby Bates and and dirt Bates that are out there and try that and if nothing's going on then. You might then we'll put on some crankbaits and maybe. The the one. By the the inside I guess closest to the edge as you're working that one, you're gonna run a little shallower. You know, maybe this this like a a Bay like the the switchblade from Ivan. I would go with like the shallow setting and or the mid mid setting and run it shorter and kind of keep that close to the edge and then that one out.
Steven:
Hmm.
Speaker 9
All right.
Speaker 8
That's the edge of. Run it deeper in the deep setting with more line out and just try to cover cover a couple different areas.
Steven:
Mm-hmm. It's just kind of slanted, if you will. Yeah. Yeah, right. So the expectation is. When and when I'm going to get shallow fish will be staged. Shallow, deep fish will be staged deep. You're not going for you know you. You know. Because sometimes I think people ask. OK, you're running two. What is it? 13 inch grand malls. We're not running them at the same length of line where they're both running at XY and Z. We want to contour and cover that structure in case thereof.
Steven:
Yep.
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yep.
Steven:
Now, when you're saying you're coming down this. And I'm not trying to beat you up here, but you're going down these these long breaks, right?
Speaker 8
MHM.
Steven:
Are you coming back up them or going to open water? So let's say you make this big, long run. We've all done it, right? Got got. You got it in your head and you have nothing happened. I got to turn out here before I hit the shallows. Right.
Jay:
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
When you're coming back into him, what are you doing? Are you readjusting before you come back up? Them. Are you just running what you got?
Speaker 8
So I'm understanding why you're saying, I guess coming back into him like when I turn and coming back into the break, is that what you mean or?
Steven:
Going back to the top, if you will. So let's say on your tiller, which way you're sitting, so be on your port side, right on your left hand side. So say the brakes on your left hand side and you go down this big long run, right?
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah.
Steven:
And you're going to turn out because we've ran out of room.
Speaker 8
Yeah. Gotcha.
Steven:
Do you do you stop and reset and come back up or you just run what you got back to the top. And redo it.
Speaker 8
Depends on what has happened. If nothing has happened, we'll reset a little bit and and adjust and instead of just doing the same thing. But if you've had a pull a RIP or you know a pull or you've you've had some sort of.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 8
You know, you've seen. Some stuff you know that looks really good. Then you might just keep doing what you're doing. But just so you just kind of got to let the fish tell you what's going on and and what what's happening out there. And a lot of times you'll you know, you'll get a poll or something and then nudge you'll feel something. And Muskies are crazy. That way if you're. If you're, if you're work trolling, it's just like they're just on all of a sudden they're on, or they're just.
Speaker 9
Yeah.
Speaker 8
On and off, they'll get a pole, so to speak, whereas in northern it's like bang, they just slam the heck out of it so you can kind of, you're kind of fell, yeah. You're kind of tell. But Muskies it's weird, but all of a sudden they're just they're just simply on.
Steven:
Umm. Especially this time. Year. It's it's funny because today we finally where I was fishing today. We kind of took the turn for fall is it'll sound good for you for you. But we are below 55 finally, right. We're talking on a well when it first does, this gets what? Guess what they start doing. They start beat hitting, right? They start doing this right. Nobody ever believes me.
Jay:
Sure.
Jay:
Yep.
Steven:
I'm talking to the guy I'm just talking in blue in the face. I'm leaning on that front seat in my boat and he goes fish, fish, fish, fish, fish. I'm like. I don't know if it's on or off because all I see is color, right?
Speaker 8
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
He gets the biggest fish I've seen all year long and it's big. Wow. You know, or a big one. Whatever it it's so deep, it's big. And he does one turn. It's off you go. That's just what they do sometimes. We talked about it, I said.
Steven:
Yeah. Yep.
Steven:
Hey, sometimes there's teachable moments. Or sometimes there's conceptual moments. And like what you're saying, trolling. What? What happened wrong? Nothing. It is what it is. But you've got to come back and go. Because I think The thing is like, conceptually, for me, trolling wise, right?
Steven:
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Steven:
If they tasted still they got hooked up. They're not coming back, right?
Jay:1
Right.
Steven:
Sometimes I think they come in and hit them from the top or hear them from the side. They don't get hooks in them trolling, and I've doubled back and drilled them.
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we have two for sure, yeah.
Steven:
Which? Which is it? Could it be a different fish? Cool, but within the same 20 yards? That's active.
Jay:
Both.
Steven:
We'll see. I could be wrong, but it seems like on that trawling pass that. That thing like and until you see it, you're listening. You go. What does that mean? Or the. A doink. You know, a little tippy tap. Like you said. They'll come in. They'll pop at it. No, but the one that goes Doink. Smacks down I think I can get that fish on the on the back. Turner coming down that pass again. Different and not to beat you up because you were kind of like cold water, you guys and what what it is guys, if you don't well why does he do it? He runs the musky shop. It finally slows down enough. He can fish this guy.
Speaker 8
Like get outta here before you break something some.
Steven:
Zachary this this guy's fighting with the Leech guy all July. OK, so we're out of leeches and the wall of people loses mind. Of course he's busy. He's fishing when it's cold. To that to that aspect, right? Let's say we're going down one of these major breaks. Minnesota, Wisconsin. Winter is right. We get that pop. Is it time to change size or speed from a trolling perspective? And it's not a letter question. It's generally I'm trying to learn here. Do you change it up at all or you just double back on them with what you have?
Speaker 8
I guess I double back on them. What? What? We thought I'm using and a lot of times you where you catch them. Not not all the time but a lot. Of times you. Do catch them, but yes, and so that's that's my experience is you get a like you just said a little zip or you feel a pull and you just go up away.
Steven:
Enough, yeah.
Speaker 8
You know, give it a little bit of, give it a, you know, 1/2 hour, 15 minutes or. Whatever, or maybe even several hours. But yeah, if you don't get it, when you on your first time over it. But yeah, a lot of times you'll it's kind of like casting. You will catch them if you. Go back over them. Again, and and if you guess that a lot of times they use the same thing. If if you've went over that that fish a couple times and then maybe.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 8
Give it a, you know, work on up and then come back with something different.
Steven:
Right. Yeah. Get. Yeah. Give him another shot because I I think that that, you know you you move him in the dead of summer on double 10s come back on 8. I think you know you get the Rippy tip tap tap on, you know, 13 inch gram or whatever. The big one is or or a head lock or Ivan whatever, right?
Speaker 8
Yeah, sure. Yep.
Steven:
Steven:
I'm not scared off. I'm not stopping the boat going. We need to switch. I'm going. He just didn't hit it, right. And I think in trolling, there's a difference in how they hit.
Jay:
Right.
Steven:
So.
Jay:
Yep.
Speaker 8
Yeah, especially with the colder water. They like you just said when you're talking about be cooked, they just come up sometimes and they just nip it, you know, they just kind of just mouth just the back and and sometimes they're going to suck it in. You'll you'll get them for sure, but not a lot of times when it's cold.
Steven:
MHM.
Speaker 8
You know, they're just. They're just gonna nip it.
Steven:
Yeah, just going tipping.
Jay:
Yeah. I mean, waters 3840°. You know, it's like the fish are still interested. They still get interested, but they're just moving slower.
Speaker 8
Yeah, yeah.
Jay:0
Yep, Yep.
Steven:
Yeah, they're moving slower the way they react, the way they hit. I mean, we all want the big head hunt where they they try to break the bill off the lure. That's the best. You know? You ain't. You ain't missing him. He could slide down to treble hooks. He still got three points coming at him, you know, just from a pragmatic standpoint, Jim.
Jay:0
Yeah. Want me?
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
You know, a lot of guys and I talked to the client today in the boat, Sean. Great guy, right? And and he I sold this gun trolling right years back. He was a new muskie, angler said. You gotta troll. But we also got a cast. It's like all stages. You have one of the funniest stories, I believe from last year. You're on a casting trip with an older gentleman out of suckers and you get one on a toothy tub just hanging off the side of the. Boat correct. Oh.
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yep. It was a 50 inch or yeah. He was like John, my nephew Jamie and and John and I and then our friend Marcus, who's an older gentleman. He was kind of rough. So he he's like in his 80s. And so he's like, I don't think I feel comfortable casting, and we didn't want to leave him out. So I just put a I didn't have any records.
Steven:
Right. I would have. I would have taken me to the docks gym right then and there. Get off my boat, dude. But I'm not you, but continue.
Speaker 9
Yes.
Steven:
No.
Speaker 8
No. So we just we we put a I put a big toothy tough over the side and John and Jamie and I kept casting and, you know, put in a lot older basically just like you're gonna suck. But it was like a creepy puff and kept moving along slowly as we're casting and all some zip zip, you know and you know.
Steven:
Soccer, yeah.
Speaker 8
We did it just like a sucker, so that that will work too. You know, we didn't have the means to go get off the lake and go travel to get some suckers and whatnot. But like, let's just try it and and it worked. And I've heard it from working with other people, too. To be honest with you.
Steven:
And I bring that the only reason I'm bringing up a lot of people writing from like. Weird places right now we can't. You know, if you're near the muskie shop, you guys still got suckers, right?
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yep, we do. Yep.
Steven:
Yeah, if you if you wanna drive from Pennsylvania to the minocqua, they'll they'll take care of you, right? Yeah, absolutely. But I'm getting this, man. What do I do? What's the alternative? Right. Keeping a shad alive all day is hard.
Speaker 8
Sure. Yeah.
Steven:
But a toothy tough, whether it be a Medusa, whether it be a crack, and whether it be whatever the configuration is that can work and and and and that's like what you actually had it on video where I've seen it. And the guy said there goes Doink, Doink boom.
Steven:
Yeah.
Speaker
Yeah.
Steven:
Which is something to look at and and you know I would say and I wasn't there, maybe the wave action didn't hurt that that day. You know, it wasn't dead. It didn't look dead flat. Calm. That bait was probably moving the whole time, right?
Speaker 8
Yeah, no. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's we're trolling along with the trolling motor and casting. And you know, the the waves and the the slow speed, we're going the tails moving, it's going up and down. So sure. Yeah, it's it's it looks realistic.
Steven:
And the whole the point I'm trying to make, the Stewart boys refused to catch them the normal way. It has to be jerk trolling or or a dead stick. Bait and roto. No, no no Bucktails near top water where they're he's muskie fishing on hard mode at this point.
Speaker
You know.
Steven:
Would you say your your entire musky career is now circus tricks? Jim, would that be correct? Right. Fantastic. No, you guys do some cool stuff. And like I said, a lot of that is just if you own the muskie shop, there's only, well, only one guy that does. But when you do.
Speaker 8
Yes, very much so. Yep.
Steven:
Well.
Steven:
You're gonna finish kind of the tougher conditions and and and I think a lot of the outside the box stuff you guys do is from that. You know where the the second spring hits and and and you know, Jim's worried about Walleye opener until.
Steven:
Yep, Yep, Yep.
Jay:
People.
Steven:
You know, Elmer's picked these pet sucker out until the place is basically locked up, you know, so.
Speaker 8
Yup, Yup, for sure.
Steven:
They're doing that, and so a lot of the outside of the box from here. But the jerk crawling in the in the slow down. Not to beat you to death if you. Let's say you know you're not a Deer Hunter. Maybe you are. I'm not right.
Speaker 8
No, I have, but I I'd rather go fishing.
Steven:
And I would. I would rather hit him. With my truck. Up. Yeah, actually, you did that. That was not a joke. But, but I think the last kill between the three of us was with your truck, right?
Speaker 8
Well, yeah, I don't know if Jays got one in between, but yeah. It seems like well.
Steven:
No, what didn't we have 4 employees? Drill deer. Yeah, yeah.
Jay:
Week period last fall.
Jay:
And they're all the same trying.
Jay:
To trying to get booked into a, you know auto service to get them fixed and it was like the ball they all had to. Wait like six weeks? To it, it was brutal. It was just. Everyone was just.
Jay:0
Yeah.
Steven:
Crushing deer. Yeah, the Rep, the Rep Massacre finally started down here. And you're like, oh, no. You're just driving home.
Jay:
Shred needs venison for hot dogs. You know Hector high water. He's going to drill something, man.
Jay:0
Yeah.
Steven:
Folks, the next musky shot Bash is brought to you by Toyota Tacoma. But you know, you look at God, we laugh about this. Folks. Just look at the ditch during Saint Germain in July.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Steven:
Jim Jays like there's ditch, dear. I'm like, what's a ditch like?
Jay:
You're the first time I told you this. You're like, what did you just say? There's, like, well, pay attention.
Steven:
There was one behind the pitch. There's one I could have jumped off the roof and and strangled to death. I fed one out of my hand. You're like these. These things are ridiculous. But, you know, hit this time of year and a lot of guys was getting out. There's like guys are going on the hunt, which I think is a big opportunity, but.
Jay:
I know.
Steven:
You can't take that casting methodology. You know you can't beat the banks. There's an opportunity for like, yeah, I can take a multiple multiple eyes water up where you're at. How do you start into that gym? Where where, where did that start, where you guys go? We don't get to fish all summer long. This is when we get to focus something. What are we going to do? How do you make that transition from? You know, a a muskie Castor from Iowa to we're gonna troll for big fish and and and forget about it.
Speaker 8
It's basically dictated by the weather, how cold it is. If you can cast, you can't. We'll we'll maybe you know if it's, if it's, you know, maybe in the 40s and and it's not.
Steven:
MHM.
Speaker 8
Two terrible raw out there and you can cast for a little while with gloves. We'll try that, but otherwise it's pretty much weather dictated on temperatures when when it starts getting too cold to cast with your fingers or your your your, your rod guide your tip top starts freezing up. Then it's just strictly. Falling after that early in the fall, we kind of break it up. We do some of both. Look fast, fast, all day or troll all day or or mix it up just. Kind. Of. You know, whatever we feel like, to be honest with you, but once it's it starts getting colder on your equipment and your the person. Then we just switch it all over and his troll.
Steven:
Well, very cool. Well, guys, you can get dialed in on that. I recommend, however. You get dialed in on 15% at the musky shop. On everything except for rods and reels. Unfortunately, Jay men's pants are not 75% off. I'm sorry. Maybe next year. Jim Jay, maybe Jim, maybe next year we'll do that. We'll think about it. We don't need you quitting anytime soon.
Steven:
Yeah.
Speaker 8
Well, we'll think about it.
Jay:0
Don't, don't, don't.
Speaker 9
Right.
Steven:
Anyway, guys, that, that's Jim, that's every bait, correct.
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yep. It sure is. Yeah. Even the yeah. Every Bay. The ones that are in the bargain zone, they they got. Yeah, they already get discounted. Plus they get 15. So.
Steven:
Everybody. Even. 1.
Jay:
Yeah, yeah, there's some good stuff. In the bargain zone, right. Now hold.
Speaker 8
Yeah, it really is.
Jay:
On let's put up a lot. Last week. Ohh yeah.
Steven:
It's basically it's everything Jay likes.
Jay:
Well, yeah, that's true. No, there's, I mean just just the other day, you know, I put a bunch of friends eating musky frenzy Bucktails in there because Nick from musky frenzy has a new color line up. There's 7-8 new colors coming. We got a bunch of stuff coming in probably Wednesday, so.
Jay:0
So.
Steven:
If you're out, yeah.
Jay:
It's discontinued color. We dropped the price on it and you know with that with the sale going on it that's a huge huge so.
Steven:
There, yeah.
Speaker 8
Yeah. Yeah, that's a big savings. Really. Yep.
Jay:
Great time to stock up.
Steven:
Yeah, load loader up Black Friday. The blackest of Fridays. Get up there and troll if you got a question, I guarantee. Jim Stewart will freaking talk to you about a bait. I promise you that you can call up there. He's a power trailer. Him or him or John or you know what, Freddy? Freddy will. Freddie will be there at ice up. Who have to be rescued again. Right. He'll just be. He'll be down in Antigo. Just have to be risk J. We rescue Freddy from anago.
Jay:
He he has moved on from Anago. I'm sorry to say.
Steven:
OK, fantastic. Anyway.
Jay:
Sorry.
Steven:
And to go and to go see pig anyway. All right, Jim, thank you for being on the show. We'll talk to you soon, buddy.
Speaker 8
You got it guys. Thanks a million. Have a great Thanksgiving.
Jay:0
Maybe.
Jay:
Hey, Jim. Yeah. I don't talk to you in. The morning happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 8
Yeah, I'll pray. See you have a good one. Thank you.
Steven:
Fire Jack sounds good, Jim. Thanks, man. Firing. Bye bye. Jay, what do you think, Jim? The tube screamer? The the Black Friday Stewart?
Jay:
His excellence shines on.
Steven:
His Excellency. Ah.
Jay:
Good stuff. Good stuff.
Steven:
Now you know he he's got great stuff cheap. And he knows what he's doing and.
Jay:
Yep.
Steven:
If if you're kind of a cold weather warrior, a Stewart boys who I'm going to turn to anyway, Jake it it it it's his. This evening. I you hear him dropping all over the shop. I called Brian A he's a big podcaster. He owns a company that makes Bates WM Bayou, right? I said, why not? Let's talk to this dude. He's up in Michigan. He knows what's going on, what he say, Jay.
Jay:
OK, OK.
Jay:
Perfect.
Steven:
All right folks, I've got him on the phone. The man, the myth, the legend. Let me tell you something, brother. The cream will rise to the top. Brian from WM Bayou. How you doing, buddy?
Jay:0
I'm doing good. Steve, how are you?
Steven:
I gotta tell you as a. Child of the. Ohh yeah, set me tell I haven't said yet what did you send in the mail? It's my prized possession of all things. A world championship. Muskie. 360. Big time wrestling belt. Yeah, my life. You are now. Listen, can I tell you something if I'm putting together the three horsemen of the apocalypse for Muskie?
Speaker 9
Oh yeah, brother. Ohh yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Steven:
Broadcast. You're on it, buddy. Where?
Jay:0
Ohh yeah, I love it. I love those things. I've I've got a bunch of them. I've got one that says access.
Jay:
The water wolves.
Speaker 9
You know.
Jay:0
Then that problem that I'm saying you guys that's that's my team, team, water wolf. And then I sell one to. I sent one to Jay Angel with let's let's talk pitching. It's got a big bass on it. I absolutely love those belts.
Speaker 9
Yeah.
Speaker
Uh-huh.
Jay:0
That's not, that's.
Steven:
The indisputed, huh?
Steven:
Undisputed the problem is this. My wife's getting mad every night I wear it to the hot.
Jay:0
Well, you gotta do what you gotta do. It's got the blame.
Jay:
You got the wonderful.
Jay:0
What are you gonna do? You know, I'm the I'm the, I'm the prettiest, I'm the richest. I'm the so yeah, nobody does that like Ric Flair. There's no sense in even trying. And.
Steven:
Nobody doesn't. Nobody.
Jay:0
We will talk. Well, we can talk some fishing, but I'm not even gonna try that. Rick, Rick, players, Ric Flair is the king of the.
Steven:
No, it's amazing. Absolutely it. It's hard to folks if you're born before the 80s. I'm sorry. OK? It was it was religion and it, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 9
Yeah, yeah.
Jay:0
And. And that's funny. That's funny that you say that the the rule of Ric Flair cause I've I've yeah, I've been listening to you guys and me is not even an amateur muskie, Steve and and and you guys are some of the guys that you have on here are just phenomenal the the knowledge that I've gained.
Jay:2
Whoa.
Jay:
The Queen of the crop? It's still it's a.
Jay:0
Blown away by it. I'm a I'm a northern bike chilling machine.
Speaker 3
You know what?
Jay:
Right, right.
Jay:0
I mean, and I I dude, I love them. I big big. When they say 40, I say 40. Sounds, but not. I'm not even in the same same league as you musky guys yet.
Steven:
Ohh heck no man, I we had we're we're having Brian on. He's a he's a big podcast listener here obviously sent the World Championship Muskie podcast. Bill any and listen no holds barred if you want to come for that belt. Who you got to go through the three horsemen of the Muskie podcast. Right anyway. In Unhold Bart Dag team challenge.
Speaker 9
Yeah, yeah.
Jay:0
But yeah, I've got a whole thing. I've got a whole thing that. I do with that in my mind.
Jay:2
Uh-huh.
Jay:0
I'm such an introvert with an introvert. When I when I finish dude like like it, it goes all the way back to Bill Dance and Jimmy Houston and and French roast and and Roland Martin. It's crazy cause that's that's what I did. Watch big time wrestling.
Jay:
Right.
Steven:
Absolutely. And fishing right after. Yeah. Fishing, dude. That's you know what I mean? It was the Silastic Scholastic Sports Academy. But you, you, our our age group, you prayed to God's schoolhouse. Rock would go off so you could watch fishing and wrestling.
Jay:
Right after.
Jay:0
That's that's. That's all I did.
Steven:
You know.
Jay:0
Dude, I didn't. I didn't watch a whole lot of that. I used to. I used to. I used to get up really early and watch 2 episodes of Fat Albert, but.
Speaker 9
So they like.
Jay:2
I just cause.
Jay:0
Cause I love that show, but I didn't. I didn't really do anything else. That was before school.
Speaker 8
But.
Steven:
Thing absolutely. Well, I had Brian on he messages. He he's you've been in the bait. Game for a long time, doing some really interesting things, definitely in the salt water world, the bass world, the Pike world you sent me something. That blew my mind. It is called the Kalamazoo River ticker.
Jay:2
So thank you.
Steven:
This is machined correct, right? So these are hand machined?
Jay:0
Correct.
Steven:
Waiting systems in line waiting system take over. What's going on with that product? What are you doing with that? What's your thought process? It's it's kind of my. My mind is blown.
Speaker 9
Price.
Jay:0
- OK. OK. I really appreciate that Jack Rose and his son Jacob did the work on that after the design idea. And came about with their machines. Shout, but the scuttle on the back roads. I've been chasing chasing Big Pike since I was 15. Steve and and the scuttle on the back roads once in a while you'd hear you'd hear about a a pipe coming out of the Kalamazoo River that had its jaws, jaws scarred up or.
Steven:
Hmm.
Steven:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jay:0
You know what I mean? Or it's back, scarred up or whatever and you know prop scars, propeller scars. Not uncommon, yeah.
Jay:
And and who?
Jay:0
Yeah, not uncommon. And and you hear about it once and you say, OK, you know, like like the the river, the Kalamazoo River is probably not going to produce a state record. A 39 LB. Five bounce fish because of the depth. And and it's a great fishery. Don't get me wrong. Probably a state. I really think the state record.
Steven:
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jay:0
All rides coming out of it. But it's just not. It's it's, it's great bike fishing. Don't get me wrong, but I just don't think it's going to produce a state record. But anyway, getting back to this whole.
Jay:
Right.
Steven:
Right.
Jay:0
Thing. So you hear about it once you hear about it twice in the rivers packed with either salmon or steel, having the run the the wall either in there, you know, there's there's there's, there's all different, it's a it's it's a world class fishery. Right and and you hear about it once you hear about it twice. Well last year. Yeah, I was down there and watching sharks and electrolysis. My my pop, pop. I was talking about electrolysis and and whatever, and I was down there fishing for some steelhead. I think it was last year. And a a river fisherman that I've never met before throws on a a three quarter Oz jig with a big curly tail and just starts jigging it and boom, that's that picture that I sent you. That's that's probably like a I don't think we ever measured the length, high 30s, maybe real close to a 40 inch.
Steven:
MHM.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
If it had its whole face, it'd be 40 exactly.
Speaker 4
Right.
Jay:0
Yeah. Yeah. The the interesting thing is its tail's got a mark on it too, so the radius that. It turned the. Prop got its tail as well. Yeah, right. So so in my mind, you know, it's just not that the they're they're they're in there. They're not in there as thick as the steelhead or the salmon. They they spawn. When they spawn in the spring, so they're they're going to be in there, but they're in there after when everybody's down there fishing for the trout or the the walleye, they're not.
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Jay:0
Really targeting like so. So that like that, what are the odds that that keeps on happening? So I I just started thinking that that that's are they getting that lucky unlucky to get hit or is it a bearing, is it a bearing that that is? Making the noise, are they actually getting so close to it and the it's super murky, muddy water. It's really dirty. And in Greens and blacks are are the color real super fluorescent colors are the colors you're going to catch. Flounder your your wall eye. But are they attacking a prop like a sharp wall on Shark Week, right?
Steven:
Mm-hmm.
Jay:0
On the in and so is it a spun bearing in a prop that's that's calling them into it, and and are they? Are they willing to bid a prop so? We started, we can start playing around with it. And it. I didn't want a a whooping sound of a rattle. I want the newtons cradle. I've always been blown away by the Newton's cradle. The sound of it, and that's the sound we're trying to emulate with it. And you guys like him? We just fished Lake Sinclair. With a highly reputable outfit and.
Steven:
Yeah, I who I fish with, yeah.
Jay:0
Yeah. And they, they they really like it as well and and so that's why we got them in your guys's. Hands because you guys. Are like guys that are picking them every week. I don't fish muskie every week. It's one of my new big things. You know what I mean? But I I fear. I fear so many species. Most of the the the lure outfit that it's it's it's more oriented towards bass. The designs we have my winter fishing is is all about. Bike and in law in in the spring, I'm fishing for steelhead in the fall I'm fishing for salmon and then in between it's it's every speaking, you know, and I'm targeting bluegill, perch like the the whole, the whole plethora of it and.
Steven:
Everything.
Jay:0
And for me? I started. I started reading about Muskie. When I was about 8 years old. So so.
Jay:
MHM.
Jay:0
To to be. In your guys's world is just it's it's, it's just.
Steven:
Overwhelming. And listen, that's like buddy, that's like show that's like saying showing up in the slow class.
Jay:0
Ohh.
Steven:
An honor. We're in here. We're in here. Well, sit down and eat a crayon.
Speaker 9
Well, I'll tell.
Speaker 4
You what it do?
Speaker 8
I will I.
Jay:0
Love trains as well as like I like the. I like the big box as long as none of them are you.
Speaker 4
You know.
Jay:
That's that's not.
Jay:0
That's high mentality when it comes to big socks, fish and dude like like you can't be. You can't be me and get too, too cocky with the whole thing. But. Right. Like I like the Saint Lawrence Seaway. I've done a lot of reading and I can't wait. Like I I'm really. I'm the big fish just like the rest of you guys are. And that's why I love it so much. That's why I love talking.
Steven:
Yeah, not. Absolutely it it that's that's one I had wanted to have you on just because your thought process right, which is you know and and Brian Brian is a a creative person and and you're thinking about. More so than anything, not what can I, from a creative standpoint and not trying to speak for you? It's like, what can I do to convert more fish? Right. So I look at something like it. It's simple as like the techno frog. Right. OK. So I know the product and and and and you're looking at like.
Steven:
You know.
Steven:
There's a million frog baits for for bass. But. But, but you're differentiating that body style. You're making it a different profile. You're you're articulating the legs, the, the everything where it's very thoughtful and that's why I want to have you on the show, which is, you know, you might not be a full time musky, angry. You love them right now, but it's OK Sam and multispecies panfish.
Steven:
Yeah.
Steven:
What are we going to differentiate? Which means bigger fish? If you do what everybody else is doing, you're going to get the same results. But I think with what you're doing with the the Debian Bayou.
Jay:0
- Right.
Steven:
You're kind of elevating. You know, there's a million frog base or a million crawl base, or a million, you know whether. It be like. The some of your creature baits your paddle tails like what are we doing with these that elevate them? Beyond something you pick up at will. More.
Jay:0
All right. So so we start designing if you're, if you're talking about all the baits I designed for my, I designed from a copepod standpoint where I believe that a fry.
Steven:
Mm-hmm. MHM.
Jay:0
It is. It's learning to eat what it's never even seen before. So when it sees it, it knows what to eat. If that makes any sense and and. And so the the the copepods changing shape all the time. That that's that's what I kind of bring into the game with it and not being not just.
Steven:
No, it makes no.
Jay:0
I'm.
Steven:
Alright, right.
Jay:0
I don't. I don't like that term that much. We've designed a couple that we call that, but there's there's always, there's always very natural idea behind it. Without without being grotesque or or anything like that it's it's it's.
Steven:
Right. It's not the the creature of the Black Lagoon. It's. Yeah, it's it's a. It's got morphology.
Jay:0
Well, well.
Steven:
To it, yeah.
Jay:0
Well, it's all about the the prey in in, in the predator, right? Even. Even as fry like, it makes you wonder if if muskie like me and you and the knowledge that I'm retaining from just speaking to all you musky guys out there and them not changing their eyes, you know, apex predator. These adults, aren't they the the easiest prey as fry, because they don't change their eyes. You know what? I mean something that like that's that's that's a question that that, that it takes years for them to grow but still so.
Speaker 9
Mm-hmm.
Jay:0
Our base, when it comes to the the Muskie lures though or the Pike lures. It's all about for the Pike it's or for the muskie. Excuse me. It's it's all about we wanted to chat to a musty that wasn't there, reel that bait, and then have that bait out of the water. And then if we could get a musky to to find interest in that sound or that movement or that vibration and start moving that way. So when we made a second. Yes. Like the the Figure 8 trying to Figure 8 not out of fishing but trying to trying to make that fish lock on the lock on to a bait that leaves the trail in the water when it's not even in the water. When you cast back out to it, you know what I mean? When you cast out to it, you're you're fishing the same water.
Speaker 9
Nice.
Jay:0
You know what? You you know what? I'm saying and that's.
Steven:
Now there was presence and it garnered attention.
Jay:0
Yeah, and and and then. That that sound is is something we're really interested in that, like me personally in the world, trying to to see, you know, the difference is like, like I was talking to these guys on Saint Clair and they're like. Musky aren't even about. Scent that much. They're sound insight, right? And and and I'm like, OK. And and the and me and the me and the Pike world like I'm gonna go fishing for big Pike. My boat's name is axis Lucius. Right. So when? When I go fishing, I'm not going to go overseas and try to catch a monster. I want to catch a monster in Michigan. And so so.
Steven:
Right, yeah.
Jay:0
Well, that's why. That's why I'm the world intercontinental. If you take a if you take an old and it's not an old, it's just a great make a Mets muskie killer and you take it and you take it apart and that Kalamazoo River fits.
Speaker 9
Steven:
Yeah, all day.
Jay:0
Kalamazoo River taker fits in there perfect and put it back together. If it makes that great beat because the guys that fix them talk about the phone, the phone.
Steven:
Ohh can you? Can you hear that?
Jay:0
Yeah, I can hear you.
Steven:
I'm. I'm shaking. What? He what? They've machine. That is that stainless or aluminum? What am I shaking here?
Jay:0
Now stainless.
Steven:
So this is a stainless steel, if you will, a lure body or a weight whatever you want to call it. Sure, that is pronounced.
Jay:0
It gets it. Could it could be a dozer body. Yeah, it it's it's a little. It's a little bulky right now for a dozer body, but it still could. Be and you and you. Can you can twist the wire and put a couple? Blades on the.
Speaker 9
MHM.
Jay:0
Front of it, but I when I'm I'm. Going to go fishing this weekend. Over Thanksgiving, I've got a bike like back home and I'm gonna. I'm gonna put it right in line with the, with the maps, and then run one of them side kicks is the is the trailer and just just go through some stuff, cause it it's it's it's just the bike. It's not. They're not gonna catch some musky out of it but. And the week after that, I'm going to throw an apple. And in this late season, all these articles I've been reading about about this late season feedback with these hog musky then now you've got me hooked because now these guys talking about moon phases and I'm 16 years old. Again, when I was 16 years old. I fished Big Lake. I don't know. So many times I can't even jump. But I had a whole calendar every day that I fished and and ohh dude all day from sun up till sundown. What the moon phase was. What time I caught fish just forever. You know what I mean? And it's everybody talking about the moon phases, the miners and the majors and.
Steven:
Amplifier.
Jay:0
And like listening to your guys's podcast and then here and, you know, fish, the weather, fish, the conditions like like, OK, like this is it, this is my element like.
Steven:
Get get getting a little we get a little wood on the ball every now and again. Guys, I want to tell. What we don't talk about multispecies enough, right? Except for when you call Freddy. But I'll tell you.
Jay:0
Yeah.
Steven:
Brian reached out to me a while ago. He sent me a championship belt, right, because the cream will rise to the top brother. Anyway, it's wmbayou.com, which is W MB A uou.com. He knows multi species. He knows Pike, this guy super inventive. He's super. Innovative. You got a fish in mine, brother. That's why we're talking on this show, right? So hopefully we'll get some of these Kalamazoo River tickers to the Muskie shop. Once they get through that process any other way else for them to find you to reach out because there's a lot of guys that listen to show like yourself, they might fish while they might fish Pike. How do they get a hold? Of you other than the website. Is the best way to like link up with you and talk multi species outside of Muskies.
Jay:0
Just hit us up on the website and then leave a message. W MB ayou.com. Yeah, and. And we'll definitely get right. Just chat with us and and well, we we don't have any muskie baits on on our website yet because we because.
Steven:
Well, you got the I would say this that you got the bone tuck. I'll give you prompts on that.
Jay:0
Well, we just got an order. That's a that's that's a small bone thug. We just got an order for a bigger bone thug. So in the spring, we'll have a bigger one. It'll probably be an 8 or 9 inch bone thug.
Steven:
Which is a swim bait. Us guys, by the way. Oh, I'm let him know what that is. It's swim. Body.
Jay:0
Yeah. Swim Bay. Yeah. And the colors. All our custom colors like guacamole and and slime green with the the black pepper flake in it and the lights that Pearl and those. Those are all custom colors. So I really think you you must, guys are really going to like the guacamole. And we're we're really interested to see. Not only the Kalamazoo River tickler, but to see about that hero and the sidekick to see about the movement on it, I think you guys. Would be impressed. With the movement and. And and see if you guys can. Catch some fish.
Steven:
Absolutely guys, I want to tell you this. Love, Brian. I love Dobby and Bayou, I use a lot of their products as far as trailers, you know that, Brian, they use them on some like Alabama rigs and they make great products across the board, great people I come championship Belts, Baby Championship Bates anyway great people if you want to reach out. Your multispecies guys get a hold of them. I don't say it off in the podcast, but he's good. People hit him up and let's figure it out here very soon. Brian, thank you for. Coming on the show.
Jay:
Thank you very much. Jay. You're getting fired tomorrow. Awesome.
Jay:0
That's the holiday.
Jay:
Just in time for Thanksgiving.
Steven:
Just just in time to disappoint your parents one more time. Yep. Yep. They're used to it, though. Really aren't.
Jay:
They yeah. Custom to it, Steve, there are.
Steven:
Let's call, let's call Mama Paul, and see what she wants for Black Friday, shall we?
Jay:
- Yeah, get her.
Steven:
On the phone, let's do it.
Jay:1
Hello buddy. Hi.
Steven:
Can you hear me? Jay, are you there?
Jay:1
Hello.
Jay:
Hello. Hey, this little Mama Paul.
Jay:1
Planning.
Steven:
You're on the pot.
Jay:1
It is how you doing?
Jay:
Doing good you.
Jay:1
I'm doing great.
Steven:
Where are you? No.
Jay:1
I'm the home.
Jay:
Oh, OK. I thought you might be in some exotic locale maybe.
Jay:1
No, in my mind I am.
Jay:
Are you getting ready for? Are you having Steve up for Thanksgiving then?
Jay:1
No, actually they are having me to go home for Thanksgiving.
Jay:
Gotcha. OK, OK, cool. Southern Wisconsin. Couple places. Yeah. Go Thursday morning for.
Jay:2
How about you?
Jay:
A few days.
Jay:1
Awesome.
Steven:
So I mom, I had to call you. On the podcast, right.
Jay:1
Ohh OK.
Steven:
You're alive. Not to put you on this.
Speaker
What?
Steven:
We got a problem.
Jay:1
What's the problem?
Steven:
Jay said for Black Friday he wants men's pants 75% off. What are your thoughts?
Jay:1
Men's pants for 75.
Jay:
It's a podcast.
Jay:
I'm just being transferred. We can't just change.
Jay:
Joke. Not a very funny one, but.
Speaker 9
You know.
Jay:1
The college.
Jay:
The iron use we don't even sell.
Steven:
Pants iron is. Yes you do. And your boss just said you want the men's pants 75% off. So I called my mother. To humiliate you even more.
Jay:1
OK, you were calling to tell me. About a new brain. I need it. Damn move figures you.
Steven:
But Jay, your chance.
Jay:
Can hear about Steve's second book. You know he's writing the second.
Jay:1
What about? I do know that?
Jay:
Book. Did right. OK. Did you know he's well? He's debating over the titles of it. Ohh. You know, and I he thought he was going to settle with next level. Musky fishing, Part 2, Eric, come.
Jay:1
Yes.
Jay:
But, but actually he's changed it now to the breeding cycle of muskrats. Which is kind of an off the wall and it's just way off target. Is that bizarre or what? The guy, he's a loose cannon and I tell you.
Jay:2
OK please.
Jay:1
Yeah, he is, but I'll buy 2 copies please.
Jay:
OK, OK. We got three orders, Steve.
Steven:
That's better. That's the that's better than the last book sales.
Jay:1
And I bought those 3 copies.
Steven:
That was, it was grim. Don't tell anybody, no.
Jay:1
He called me up and threatened me if I didn't buy the three copies. I was no longer his mom.
Steven:
Right. If you don't buy. For Thanksgiving, she went this freaking Turkey. Like you. Better buy them books. I'm telling you right now.
Jay:
What?
Steven:
The reason I called you is to make fun of Jay in front.
Jay:1
Oh, oh, yes.
Steven:
Of. You the second as the.
Jay:1
Oh.
Steven:
Wife of a long-term musky angler.
Jay:1
Yes.
Steven:
What is the best gift for Christmas? And I might not putting it in the spot. Would it be a gift card? Would it be a bait? Would it be a book? What do you do? And I'm being genuine.
Jay:1
Genuine. I would buy one of Stephen Paul's latest new dates.
Steven:
OK, man, that let's not do that. That that's cringy, but true here. Yes, you will say.
Jay:1
- Hey, I'm your mom. I get to do this.
Steven:
I hear it, but what what like for for?
Jay:1
No, seriously. I would buy a new. A new date, maybe a new rod?
Speaker 9
Can you?
Steven:
How do you find out like let's say? Let's say long before I was born, or what. Whatever right you're doing your thing. How do you figure out you're the spouse? Because I got the reason I did. I got a message from a spouse last night. Right.
Jay:1
Steven:
It was Jay's husband. But what Bates? Does he right? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Sorry.
Jay:1
All I remember him. His name is Steven, right? I think Steven, George, something like that, you remember.
Steven:
Yeah, it's getting this is getting brutal. I don't like, I don't like this anymore, but. How how do you figure out? Like, what do you buy a musky anger for Christmas? For real? Just a dumb question. You've done it more times than you care to admit. So aside from buying my my crap, right. How do you figure out what they want? Do you like? Is it like, do you drop? Should they drop hints? Like how?
Jay:1
Alright.
Steven:
How do they?
Jay:1
Well, if you're if you're interested, wife, you're talking fishing year round, so you pretty much got a got a thumb on what they're wanting.
Steven:
Thank you. Right.
Jay:
Like post it notes on the fridge, little little hints like that. No, no.
Steven:
Now, now, now, now, a good bummer. A good woman listens, Jay.
Jay:1
Yes, yes.
Steven:
Listen, woman. God suffers.
Jay:1
A good self listens year round, but yeah, I'd recommend going online, you know, maybe going to the musky shop looking for something. One of their better sellers.
Steven:
Yeah. Something new or or whatnot, or if nothing else apparel, I've seen you either. Absolutely so.
Jay:1
That's what I did every every year, I was always buying, you know, rain suits.
Steven:
Men's men's pants 75% off for Jay.
Jay:1
75% off fine, but I've never 75% off.
Steven:
That's why Jay Jay Jay was begging for men's pants, 75% on hands and knees.
Jay:2
Is that literal?
Jay:1
Or is that like on the lag?
Steven:
So. JJ sucks.
Jay:1
DJ bird.
Steven:
But anyway, what? OK, so it's a lifelong wife of a Musk gang or and a mother of Muskingum. Or right? What are what are a couple bait names that you go and these if I buy this, it won't hurt.
Jay:1
I'll get your a a jerk face.
Steven:
Like a civic. By by who? Who's mad at the bulldog?
Speaker 9
But.
Jay:1
Ohh man, I'm telling you.
Steven:
How many? How many? How many? Telling the story about Alien's mom. Remember.
Jay:1
Now I.
Steven:
I was mad.
Jay:1
Story.
Steven:
Mom bought me the most bogus Bulldog clone I've ever seen among. I break up the stalking right here it is. I'm full of Christmas joy. Right. And by Christmas, Joy, I might barf. And I hope my stocking right. There's. A carton of Marlboros, you know. Some naked some. Yeah. There's a there's a carton of camels, some nicotine, a butterfly knife. Right. Right.
Jay:1
Oh yeah.
Steven:
Right, 22 long rounds. What else do you get me for Christmas? Every year, right. You know rice. A gift card to the county jail.
Jay:
You have Steve and Pants 75.
Steven:
Bens pants right. She'll get a she'll get a.
Jay:
2 sizes too small.
Steven:
Right. She'll get to Marshalls and get me size pants that are wrong, right? I get that. I get this and I open my ale and all. It's in the in there, right next to the. Cigarettes and the butterfly and knife and the stalking hung with care. And I went.
Jay:1
And the stick of butter.
Steven:
And a stick of butter as this customer in our family who wouldn't so pull out the stick of butter and pull my ailing one. This is garbage, right? It's a bulldog knock off. And then I just light them on fire.
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
Steven:
We never know. That's what I'm getting at. And now. Now then. I sent her on a spirit quest across West Virginia and Kentucky to buy everyone she could.
Jay:
Yeah, no.
Steven:
Remember.
Jay:1
That is no lie. That's the a true.
Steven:
That's the damnedest tracer was, I said. Where did you get that?
Jay:1
Story.
Speaker 9
Bottled up of the *****.
Steven:
All right. At the sporting goods store. She got.
Jay:1
I think your other mom talks like that. The one that smokes. I don't talk like that.
Steven:
Smokes. What? Meth or? Thought I thought it was you. I was confused. You're from West Virginia, right? Good Lord.
Jay:1
I I truly AM.
Steven:
Well, I'll smoke them if you got them, but.
Jay:1
My God, forgive you.
Jay:
Where's my God?
Jay:
She knows that's where you got it from, Steve.
Jay:1
Steven:
Yelp, mother. Yell creeker and we're done with the show.
Jay:1
Yes.
Steven:
Do it again, Jay laughed. Just yell, cracker. We're done.
Jay:
Yeah, I had a guy. I had a guy on Instagram. DM me the other day and there's just like, there's just there must be a wrapper or something. He just got a neck Jack too, from left to right. It's just.
Jay:
Creeker on it.
Jay:
You just said it to me. He's like, I thought this was funny. OK, it must be a podcast.
Steven:
I listen, I don't talk much crap on here. Mine my favorite stories from Dad. Mom, right?
Jay:1
Yes. Yes, baby.
Steven:
Wherever in the park, right? It's the Turkey trot. If you recall. Right, folks, the Turkey trot is a 5K. After you've drank all night 8 Turkey and you got now you've drank all night. You got to eat Turkey tomorrow, right? These are the kind of heinous people that raised me. They're animals.
Jay:
Yeah.
Speaker
All right.
Steven:
Right. I don't want to do this. I don't want to be there. I don't. I own no running shoes. I've owned the same pair of running shoes for 15 years cause I don't use them. But I'm there. Thank God.
Jay:1
It's true. You were there. I have Hickey.
Steven:
Wow, he looks over 12 Pole Creek, he said. I won't name any that *** ** * ***** said he caught a 42 out of there. You couldn't drown in that. If you're upside down and then then I pass out and Rider Park trying to run. I'm at the 1K like.
Jay:
True story.
Steven:
You know. But anyway, we had. I had to call just to humiliate Jay, like you said.
Jay:1
Well, Jay, I'm sorry. I had to be a part of that, but. I enjoyed it very much.
Steven:
We're we're at. We're, we're.
Jay:
You did.
Steven:
Jay, be quiet. Mom Yell Creek or we're done.
Jay:1
Alright guys.
Jay:2
Breaker, breaker, breaker, breaker, breaker, breaker, breaker.